我感覺到,我快要皈依大日如來了
這句話你聽得懂嗎?
就是我感覺我快要領悟佛法這樣(雙手合十)
so you feel like you're closer to 'enlightenment' through this experience?
哈哈哈哈
可能是喔
ohh
that's pretty deep, no?
不知道耶我亂說
我只是覺得心情好像很平靜
離enlightement 應該還是非常遠地
you ever thought much about the meaning of life or life after death?
小時候會想
想到了一個地步就不想了
大約禪宗佛法也是這種進程
你會先去想一些哲理 最後會學會放下
so you learn to believe that there's no meaning in life?
不是
是在了解了你可以了解的極限之後
就不用在糾結在思考上面了
而學會接受它
就像是,花不會是花,如果你沒有看到它
煩惱不會成形,如果你不要去鑽研它
如果不糾結於事物的形貌的話 會有另外了解世界的方法
禪宗佛教好像是 究極的內化
討論內心
於是存在與否,取決於自身的觀點,而不是物品物理上的存在
其實這些只是我胡扯的。可能剛好今天心情比較好而已!
well, I think that at some point in one's life, you should ask some deeper questions...otherwise things might all seem pointless one day
像是什麼問題呢
what's the point of life? are we no different than animals or other forms of life? why do we have a conscience? is there anything beyond death? if life after death is just a person's way to comfort him/herself when scared of death, then is the spiritual realm just a figment of imagination? then how about the supernatural incidents that have been witnessed and documented all over the place?
喔~ 這些問題在人生不同階段都會問自己,也會有不同的回答阿
但是我的思考不會是,上帝要磨練我,所以給我很多考驗
會是,有很多考驗,真是沒辦法阿,那我就順便磨練一下自己的心志好了。
前者似乎是比較基督教的想法,後者是我的想法。
so do you believe in god?
不
即使在佛教裡面,佛也不是一個偶像。他只是一個比較早悟道的模範,讓大家可以參考他的path 這樣
但是在基督教(到底怎樣稱呼比較精準?)裡面,有一個最高的god 的存在
我認為god 是一個歸納出來的東西。他是無形的,但是若你要將自然所有的力量統整起來命名的話,那可以稱呼它為god
比較淺顯的例子是中文講的緣份。緣份說得是人與人之間相遇的機率還有繫絆的程度。這個東西你可以說他不存在,英文也沒有對等的字。但是中文裡面把這種現象歸納,說這個就是緣份。
文字的力量在於,當你用文字命名之後,這個現象就有了力量。從此人們就會說,我們有緣,所以才怎麼樣。很有一種倒果為因的錯置感。
interesting
you came up with this all yourself?
嗯對阿,我慢慢是這樣歸納的。
所以我對基督教的理解有錯嗎?
我在想像你的思考過程應該是像我剛剛講的那樣吧?
what you wrote about Christianity on the whole just now isn't wrong, in that we do believe in a God that is more than just a source of natural power and is something that we can relate to personally...but it's a bit more than that. I'm sure the other main world religions, like Judaism, Islam, Hinduism will all say that...so the 'essence' of Christianity would be Jesus and his claims and his story
I think it's interesting how you've contemplated a lot of these philosophical questions yourself without having to discuss it with others or feel like you have to discuss it with others. Some ideas that you mentioned have been thought about by many many philosophers over the years
I feel that because I am a Christian, I sometimes have to consciously decide to think about these questions...and I thought that if I wasn't a Christian, then I wouldn't have to think about these things at all
不會啦 你的個性還是會去想的
我只是不想因為宗教而放棄了自己思考的自由,所以選擇自我流的思考方法,不要被某個教派侷限住了。
well, religion/faith moulds personalities
but you could say 'I don't want to be moulded by society and therefore, I will not go to school and decide that I am clever without having to take national exams or going to university, I will live off the earth and its fruit and veg without needing to be a part of soceity'
互相吧。人也會因為自己思考的路徑不同,去選擇親近不同的宗教。
我對基督教故事很有興趣阿,我小時候就看了很多故事書,還有佛教的。大約小學就在看。
道教我也有興趣
islamic 台灣比較難接觸到所以我不了解
也許我終究會選擇自己的宗教
也許不會
do you believe in reincarnation?
因為我對死亡有恐懼,所以我想要相信輪迴投胎
但是我想我不是一定相信
但是遇到了極為親近的人的死亡,或是我自己接近死亡的時候
我猜想我就會信了。這樣比較能夠安慰自己。
基督教有嘛?投胎輪迴karma 這些東西
no reincarnation
heaven or hell
ok 總之要有一個形式的獎賞 這是大眾化宗教的特徵
佛道教也有天堂地獄
道教的地獄定義的非常清楚
18 層,每一層有不同懲罰,不同的刑具跟怪物
right
I've heard about that
但我畢竟是凡夫俗子
所以邊跟你討論佛法
邊看makiyo 打人的新聞畫面 幸災樂禍
真是糟糕